tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7379581147262228210.post1568888799522365389..comments2024-03-26T13:17:29.405-04:00Comments on Outlandish Observations: Episode 307: "Crème de Menthe" (SPOILERS!)Karen Henryhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07635855088490793965noreply@blogger.comBlogger50125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7379581147262228210.post-33250847855017493962017-11-06T19:23:24.691-05:002017-11-06T19:23:24.691-05:00I agree. Hate Clair this episode. Be tender. Let y...I agree. Hate Clair this episode. Be tender. Let your self love your husband. Surgery scenes were tiring. Just get on to Lallybroch. Great review of the show. Want Claire to be sweet with Jamie. Just seemed unbelievable she would leave hi. To see Vampbells. Read the books and think this season should pick up nicely now that First wife is done. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01587618454287456790noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7379581147262228210.post-89267269187161446102017-11-04T14:57:54.884-04:002017-11-04T14:57:54.884-04:00I have a funny feeling that in the tv version of t...I have a funny feeling that in the tv version of the story, Jamie had already contacted Ned Gowen about divorcing L. He indicated to Fergus in this episode 307 and the last one 306 that he had already talked to Ned about "a matter." If so, he can tell Claire in 308 that he knew he made a big mistake marrying L.and was already trying to end the marriage. ♥Susanlynnnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7379581147262228210.post-34015887170073884032017-11-03T20:17:57.453-04:002017-11-03T20:17:57.453-04:00Couldn’t agree more . She was spot on with this wh...Couldn’t agree more . She was spot on with this whole review . Maybe they should hire Karen as a consultant ;) Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06383061399989628466noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7379581147262228210.post-39912646149859574922017-11-03T15:37:44.318-04:002017-11-03T15:37:44.318-04:00Susanlynn - love your re-cap. Spot on. I read th...Susanlynn - love your re-cap. Spot on. I read the script for episode 307 today and most of the tenderness between Claire and Jamie was cut from the episode or performed differently than the script. This episode was really short compared to other episodes and could have included some of those scenes. When Jamie enters the room after the scuffle he asks Claire if she's alright first thing, doesn't ask her at all in the episode. At the end of the episode Claire comes over to Jamie and confronts him which was not shown. Anxious to see how the changes in season 1 that will effect 308 will be handled. Hope we get to see Ned Gowan.KMChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11291803926737701495noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7379581147262228210.post-7363156637789062862017-11-02T10:59:14.821-04:002017-11-02T10:59:14.821-04:00Here's the thing...if I had been separated fro...Here's the thing...if I had been separated from my one true love for twenty years and finally was reunited with him , it would take a lot for me to leave him again. You're a smuggler...fine with me. You have a son by a wealthy teenager...okay. You married someone who hates me and has always wanted you..I can deal with that. You had a one night stand with the housekeeper in a cave...okey dokey. Your sister hates me...whatever. However, TV Claire is already ticked off at him immediately following their one night in paradise. Susanlynnnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7379581147262228210.post-31798936885031832942017-11-01T21:25:46.984-04:002017-11-01T21:25:46.984-04:00I am rewatching the episode and got a giggle when ...I am rewatching the episode and got a giggle when MR. Willoughby tells Jamie after the excise man dies that his wife fought hard and " put her best foot forward." Was that a wink at the book readers? Also, when Claire tells Jamie about the medical resources she had access to in Boston, he replies, "but you're not in Boston." That line reminded me of season one when Claire says something to Jamie about ENgland, and he replies, "but you're not in ENgland."♥Susanlynnnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7379581147262228210.post-90681265082513515722017-11-01T19:59:05.288-04:002017-11-01T19:59:05.288-04:00Blithe ...I agree with everything you wrote here. ...Blithe ...I agree with everything you wrote here. However, I think that Diana Gabaldon commented on CompuServe recently that the main producer (Ron Moore) was still in the saddle this season. Right, Karen ?♥Susanlynnnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7379581147262228210.post-81523902851424773292017-11-01T15:22:13.922-04:002017-11-01T15:22:13.922-04:00Well, here's my take. Unfortunately the episo...Well, here's my take. Unfortunately the episodes have all been filmed and in the can, but, I hope Ron Moore is reading everyone comments and understands the errors of this season and improve on season 4. The essence of the love between J&C has certainly been lost, unless it shows up in the rest of the season. This is such a beautiful love story between 2 people that love, respect and trust each other, and it's just not there so far.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7379581147262228210.post-39567861351821929382017-11-01T15:21:55.791-04:002017-11-01T15:21:55.791-04:00I agreed with all of your comments except the one ...I agreed with all of your comments except the one about Jamie's forgetting Frank; that leads to one of his angry moments in the next episode, but I am afraid First Wife is going to venture SO FAR AWAY from the book. The scenes at Lallybroch are some of the best in the book. I normally love this series and I did love 306. Not this one, however, I loved Jamie's telling Clare that he would give up everything for them to be together again, and by the end of the episode he has! Claire was way too abrasive and Jamie was not his honorable self. I know they've both suffered, and they do argue in the books, but not like this. Whoever wrote this episode did not get it. I think the main producer of this series needs to get back in the saddle.<br />Blithe Allison Reedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03272372430973448223noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7379581147262228210.post-84205160263629183942017-11-01T12:30:02.909-04:002017-11-01T12:30:02.909-04:00Well, we will not get the surprise reveal of the o...Well, we will not get the surprise reveal of the other wife that we got in the book. "Daddy" was a shock to me and made me throw the book across the room and yell, "No, he didn't!!!" Followed by a lot of bad words. #@*#@*So, now what is going to happen in the next episode ? How is Jamie going to explain the reason he married that person? How will that person react to Jamie's original wife CLaire showing up? How will Claire react to Jamie's choice and his reasons for that choice? Are the three people involved going to have a screaming match? Is someone going to get hurt? What is Jenny going to do? How will the whole Ness be resolved?♥Susanlynnnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7379581147262228210.post-32071496548511992632017-10-31T15:05:16.717-04:002017-10-31T15:05:16.717-04:00I agree with your overall comments. This episode ...I agree with your overall comments. This episode made me feel the writer did not really understand the Jamie and Clair characters. Jamie was always an honorable man but this episode made him look the opposite. Clair's reaction to helping her attacker was too extreme, not at all reasonable to the situation. The lack of warmth Clair showed toward Jamie did not make sense after the sharing of love in the previous episode. Very disappointing episode.<br />Fergus was great and Young Ian was surprisingly good. I do hope the revealing of the "other wife" next time is closer to the book's version.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7379581147262228210.post-54066563115236652552017-10-31T14:15:14.137-04:002017-10-31T14:15:14.137-04:00I find it very interesting that a lot of people re...I find it very interesting that a lot of people really disliked this episode. I couldn't believe it when the hour was over, it went so fast to me (in a good way). Yes, I'm an avid book reader and I have a hard time accepting the changes at times. However, Jamie and Claire don't really know each other anymore, and it's natural that once the excitement of being together again settles down, that they will start to see changes in each person. Claire has been strong and independent for 15 years, so of course she could seem cold. Jamie has had a hard life without her and has hardened. They have to figure out how to work as a team again. I have complete faith they will come together to be the couple we love again. Was it my favorite episode? Not at all. But it wasn't near as bad as everyone makes it out to be in my opinion. I will, though, be interested to see if this writer does another episode and how well it will be received. Mary Whttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13408877795987212959noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7379581147262228210.post-79967241638412638482017-10-31T13:55:46.140-04:002017-10-31T13:55:46.140-04:00I am so glad to have found this site. I was left f...I am so glad to have found this site. I was left feeling completely let down by episode 7 ...even some of episode 6. In episode 6, Jamie tells Claire he has burned for her for 20 years...so has Claire for Jamie...but it appeared Jamie was candid about his longing for her but she was not forthright about her lack of intimacy with Frank because of her love for Jamie. I think Jamie needed to hear that from Claire as much as Claire needed to her that from Jamie.<br />In Episode 7, Claire's character...I don't know where to begin. She was cold and, yes, bitchy. Jamie, once again, professes to her the significance of her return to him...bringing him back into the light...and cups his arm and says she has a patient to attend to...what!! The writers certainly missed the mark on this one...I was left feeling let down. I am certainly hoping the writers redeem themselves in the next upcoming episodes or all will be lost as far as I am concerned.<br />Debbinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7379581147262228210.post-50297912597558524342017-10-31T13:23:01.186-04:002017-10-31T13:23:01.186-04:00I think Jamie had every right to question Claire&#...I think Jamie had every right to question Claire's life with Frank. She said that Frank loved her and took her back, while he lived in a cave, was in prison, indentured while they were raising his child. She admitted she came back AFTER Frank died.dovepagehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04057146586574147980noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7379581147262228210.post-23170843180439644682017-10-31T12:54:09.172-04:002017-10-31T12:54:09.172-04:00Thanks for your synopsis. I wasn't really awa...Thanks for your synopsis. I wasn't really aware of how I felt until I read your review but I was feeling that the episode lacked the smouldering chemistry between J & C.<br /><br />Still this entire series marks so many firsts for me:<br /><br />first time I've been interested in a romance series<br />first time I've been interested in a SciFi series<br />first time I've navigated episodes labelled Graphic Violence because I enjoy so much else about the show.<br /><br />I think the most SciFi thing about the series is - not the time travel - but that someone as gorgeious as SH/JF lasted so long a virgin!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7379581147262228210.post-57777611694909732452017-10-31T11:42:23.212-04:002017-10-31T11:42:23.212-04:00Yes, as Karen and others have pointed out, this ep...Yes, as Karen and others have pointed out, this episode was strange with the lack of connection between Jaime and Claire especially so soon after their reunion. However I thought Clare's reactions reflect her 20th century sensibilities as a strong, independent career women. Sorry, don't really see her as a bitch!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7379581147262228210.post-2376026532543490342017-10-31T08:42:49.002-04:002017-10-31T08:42:49.002-04:00I was disappointed with this entire episode. I ha...I was disappointed with this entire episode. I hated the way Claire was so cold to Jamie. And drilling a hole in the man's head was totally unnecessary and a huge waste of time. Only six more episodes to go and more to cover than is possible. So WHY do the writers waste time on stuff that wasn't even in the books??Graciehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17170813202756941522noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7379581147262228210.post-50479820339403898322017-10-31T06:36:09.539-04:002017-10-31T06:36:09.539-04:00I actually agreed with Jamie quizzing Claire about...I actually agreed with Jamie quizzing Claire about her life with Frank. I always felt he did not show enough curiosity about the man who was husband to his own wife and father to his own daughter in the books. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7379581147262228210.post-92050488431262990192017-10-31T01:36:36.697-04:002017-10-31T01:36:36.697-04:00All but one thing you wondered about has already b...All but one thing you wondered about has already been covered thoroughly and well by yourself and earlier reviewers in regards to this most disheartening episode. Here's what you wrote that I want to try addressing: "I really, really wish Jamie would put Frank out of his mind. Enough already! He's won, Claire is his now, forever, so why does he keep asking about what her life with Frank was like?" <br /><br />The only reason that I came up with is this: Jamie wants to compare and/or contrast the reality of Claire & Frank's marriage (after she returned to Frank years later) in order to try and find a way to explain his own post-Culloden marriage to Claire. Jamie needs Claire to be understanding and give him time to dissolve/annul his second marriage since his first wife is still alive. Hence the need to consult with Ned Gowan. Truckee Galnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7379581147262228210.post-47785435408703710332017-10-31T00:28:39.090-04:002017-10-31T00:28:39.090-04:00I agree with those who found this episode odd. The...I agree with those who found this episode odd. There's nothing in the books that would lead me to believe that Claire would defend herself and afterward try to revive her attacker. Quite the opposite. She did kill people when the situation warranted it. If, for some odd reason she tried to revive an attacker, the Jamie I recognize would have calmed her, put his arms around her, and held her fast, until the attacker make his transition. Then let her go to cry it out. Marie McKinseyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12061540293923506267noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7379581147262228210.post-88079298140507587732017-10-31T00:11:18.647-04:002017-10-31T00:11:18.647-04:00I've not read the books yet. I find it easier...I've not read the books yet. I find it easier to appreciate both when I read them after I've seen the theatrical version. First, the reunion episode lacked reconnecting. The wedding had the best side stories and I think that would have been useful in the reunion. The undressing and the guessing games seemed drawn out and lacked the real reconnecting. <br /><br />Creme de Menthe felt completely rushed. The pace seemed off, taking too long in some areas and rushing through the important ones. I didn't enjoy either add much as I thought I should have. <br /><br />Thanks for the recap! RB67https://www.blogger.com/profile/08787281832809999598noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7379581147262228210.post-47138880355111818542017-10-30T23:21:31.402-04:002017-10-30T23:21:31.402-04:00John Bell? Too old to play Ian? He's only 20, ...John Bell? Too old to play Ian? He's only 20, and playing a character who is 16!!! The first season, Sam was what - 34? and playing a man of 22! Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10797834298368504605noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7379581147262228210.post-12819076795217654792017-10-30T20:01:35.015-04:002017-10-30T20:01:35.015-04:00i'm probably banned elsewhere. I really lamba...i'm probably banned elsewhere. I really lambasted the reunion episode and am not thrilled with the writing in this episode either. my lord, they were handed a perfect story, great characters, and brilliantly all ready written for them scenes - all they have to do is bring it to life. should have been a piece of cake. if they are not careful they are going to lose their book reading base - who made this show a hit in the first place.Kawanna Ridouthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11963891560087063510noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7379581147262228210.post-56557701603341788912017-10-30T19:56:28.353-04:002017-10-30T19:56:28.353-04:00After 307,which was so disappointing to me, I am d...After 307,which was so disappointing to me, I am dreading 308 with the previews showing Claire telling Jamie that she doesn't think they belong together - while he is wearing a sling? So that already seems like the writers are changing the course of events and going to ruin what is the most critical part of Voyager-- whether Claire stays or heads back to the standing stones. I was so hopeful after 306 which truly was a love letter to Diana... I agree with the gal who wrote thank goodness for Stranger Things.Pointsettierhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01641142910043294525noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7379581147262228210.post-29127005528106401802017-10-30T18:48:39.599-04:002017-10-30T18:48:39.599-04:00Hated it.
Both Jamie and Claire acted too far out...Hated it.<br /><br />Both Jamie and Claire acted too far out of character. <br /><br />Fergus and Young Ian were the best things about it.<br /><br />Has DG commented on it yet??Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com