tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7379581147262228210.post201248243269947405..comments2024-03-26T13:17:29.405-04:00Comments on Outlandish Observations: Episode 408: "Wilmington" (SPOILERS!)Karen Henryhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07635855088490793965noreply@blogger.comBlogger21125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7379581147262228210.post-75615958551848314392022-07-29T07:59:32.532-04:002022-07-29T07:59:32.532-04:00I thought that Stephen Bonnet's character, whi...I thought that Stephen Bonnet's character, while definitely rough, was not the evil monster from hell of the TV series. Bonnet had survived on his own from the age of six in a very hard world. By his wits and whatever it took, he had acquired his own ship, and was taking on whatever cargo paid best, including indentured emigrants. As a captain he was described as hard but fair. When smallpox broke out, he risked losing everything - the crew, all the emigrants, and the ship and its cargo being burned; therefore he had no option but to throw the victims into the sea. As he said, a quick death from drowning was better than a week of painful suffering. Harsh measures, but what else could he do? I also got the feeling that when he tossed a coin to determine life or death, he swiftly pocketed the coin to give the other person the benefit of the toss. The rape of Brianna was not as violent in the book, nor was it proceeded by his abuse of the other women and their terror of his wrath. This was another example of gratutious violence. The book described Bonnet as a tall fair Irishman. I think a different actor would have been better. EMMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06260538940269792435noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7379581147262228210.post-80385744661233145282020-07-30T19:41:41.721-04:002020-07-30T19:41:41.721-04:00One thing has been driving me bonkers, even as I h...One thing has been driving me bonkers, even as I have seen this episode many, many times: Why don't Roger & Brianna use their last names in the handfasting? When Fergus & Marseli married, the priest told them a surname is required. Is it because they each have two surnames and don't know which to use? Is it because Brianna is Catholic (I'm assuming this as Claire is Catholic) and Roger is Presbyterian? My book-reading is not up to this point, so I'm hoping it's explained there.<br />Love, love, love your blog and all the comments.Linda in Nevadahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03215699578789512902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7379581147262228210.post-35001218405815131372018-12-26T16:17:33.655-05:002018-12-26T16:17:33.655-05:00I viewed the episode much as Teresa did. I am not ...I viewed the episode much as Teresa did. I am not bothered at all with Claire taking control of the Fanning situation. Claire's 1940's war time experience on top of her surgical skills makes the hernia scene believable to me. <br />Anonymous' quote about red hair is exactly how my red hair has progressed, although I'm not at the silvery-white stage yet, but my great-grandmother's hair ended up that way.Susanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00497102700645605005noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7379581147262228210.post-40807976488157022192018-12-26T05:09:09.569-05:002018-12-26T05:09:09.569-05:00In reply to a comment above, I thought red hair re...In reply to a comment above, I thought red hair retains color much longer than other shades “red hair simply fades with age through a glorious spectrum of faded copper to rosy-blonde colours, then to silvery-white”. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7379581147262228210.post-87580833395351679102018-12-24T20:41:46.851-05:002018-12-24T20:41:46.851-05:00There wasn't a fully formed "cause" ...There wasn't a fully formed "cause" yet, certainly not in Wilmington. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08141606851912751298noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7379581147262228210.post-83196052262335994992018-12-24T11:01:05.326-05:002018-12-24T11:01:05.326-05:00Hi Karen this episode was better than the last one...Hi Karen this episode was better than the last one with Roger and Bree reuniting and they finally having a love scene and loved the handfasting scenes and it was just as beautiful as Jamie and Claire s's Wedding scenes and Reunion scenes and as well as the theater scenes it was refreshing to see it was stupid to see and here Claire's response to seeing and meeting George Washington in person , then hearing that Murtagh was leading a robbery and was to be arrested made Jamie put him self at risk by leaving and warning him , I agree about Super Claire and she didn't even have her medicine Box with her and the fact that she didn't even do it in private was tacky , Roger and Bree s's beautiful romantic night was ruined by their stubboness and a very stupid fight leaving them unsure of the future . and the rape scene was horriflying but unlike what had happened in the past to both Jamie and Claire it was very tame . so it was a good episode all around and will be watching more soon. please post more soon. Happy Holidays . Loving Outlander. sincerely .Mary Tormeynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7379581147262228210.post-57962330971123779682018-12-24T09:32:37.634-05:002018-12-24T09:32:37.634-05:00Thanks, again, Karen. While I usually agree with ...Thanks, again, Karen. While I usually agree with most of what you say, I don't about several of your observations. First, I loved Claire's line about chopping down the cherry trees. It was funny, and Cait delivered it perfectly. I didn't mind at all introducing Washington at this point. As to surveying in NC, who is to say that he hadn't? I believe that Jamie provoked Fanning's cry of pain - he saw him wriggling in discomfort and bumped him, so could create a diversion, so he could leave the theater and get to Murtagh. He likely was thinking of Fergus as the messenger once he learned that Tryon knew that Murtagh was the ring leader. I'm used to Claire's surgical heroics, and in this instance did not mind it, as Jamie used her skills to allow him time to get Fergus. As to how fast she completed the job - my father was a trauma surgeon and in critical life and death situations, a surgeon moves very fast. Claire concluded that the hernia had affected his intestine, which meant that it could get strangled, thereby leading to a quick death. Anyway, it's just TV. About Bree and Roger - it was lovely and all that. I sense that Roger is being portrayed as an old-fashioned my way or the highway kind of guy because that is the struggle he is undergoing. Richard Rankin has said as much in interviews. Personally, I thought Bree really over-reacted to him knowing that he knew of her parents's death before she did. I was bothered in the book by her ferocious response. Have to chalk it up to the issues that Bree must come to terms with about her nature. One last thing: really, is it sooooo bad that Claire was walking a few steps behind Jamie when he and Tryon were talking? It was likely the custom, plus, I can recall many situations with my husband in which he was engaged in conversation with someone and walked ahead of me. Ditto for the women sitting separately from the men at the theater. I'm looking forward to next week - from the previews is looks like we will see Jamie meet Bree. Best to you, Karen. Teresahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15756369339262354896noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7379581147262228210.post-32000684726851915162018-12-24T09:27:18.028-05:002018-12-24T09:27:18.028-05:00When Tryon mentioned George Washington survey of t...When Tryon mentioned George Washington survey of the 10,000 acres I thought about book Roger being sent off to do that, so... I am ok with them leaving all of that torture out of the show. I think Roger has suffered enough! I liked the episode overall!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7379581147262228210.post-72149261804104622862018-12-24T08:23:08.982-05:002018-12-24T08:23:08.982-05:00I thought this episode was very well done. I was ...I thought this episode was very well done. I was critical of last week's episode, not that it matters. They have redeemed themselves with me, haha. I thought the acting was great (I always liked Sophie and Richard)and the storyline stayed true to the book. The rape scene was heartbreaking. In my little Outlander world, when I can't stop thinking about an episode all the next day, it's a good one and this was one of those. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7379581147262228210.post-26102671573691243992018-12-23T22:26:36.411-05:002018-12-23T22:26:36.411-05:00In a family of health professionals. Claire’s hero...In a family of health professionals. Claire’s heroics really bother me with respect to surgeries. A bit much. Margaret 🇨🇦https://www.blogger.com/profile/02420243423813792210noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7379581147262228210.post-36341368204046572842018-12-23T22:24:10.186-05:002018-12-23T22:24:10.186-05:00AgreeAgreeMargaret 🇨🇦https://www.blogger.com/profile/02420243423813792210noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7379581147262228210.post-602452978853694962018-12-23T21:31:19.211-05:002018-12-23T21:31:19.211-05:00isn't it problematic that Bree thinks Roger ha...isn't it problematic that Bree thinks Roger has gone back? Not how the argument ended in the book, and gives her no reason to be waiting for him later ....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7379581147262228210.post-15192633193175793142018-12-23T20:50:05.740-05:002018-12-23T20:50:05.740-05:00I also enjoyed the scenes with Roger and Brianna. ...I also enjoyed the scenes with Roger and Brianna. Those two have become my favorite actors in the show.<br />One of the things missing from the books this season is the traveling scenes. They just jump from one place to another like magic. As I recall, a lot of good things happen while they're on a trail.<br />So ... exactly how much time has passed? Germain is half-grown, Washington is on the scene, and Claire has a new wardrobe that will do her no good in the wilderness.<br />Looking forward to next week's episode: Germain Goes to College. ;-) Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14289774373527880877noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7379581147262228210.post-62725636013154922832018-12-23T20:44:17.996-05:002018-12-23T20:44:17.996-05:00My views of the show. One it starts with roger ask...My views of the show. One it starts with roger asking for bree I did like Fergus meeting roger for a quick second before going home to find jaime and claire. For it being a rather small coastal town I find it hard to believe that claire jaime and bonnet bree and roger did not run into each other. The surgery scene was very poorly done all of it. The theater yes I think the town would have one but it would not have been as big of a deal for the era. As far as george Washington he did survey the area he was one of the ones that surveyed the boundaries of the territories please remember they were not states. Claire's character is becoming less appealing I am not liking bree taking vows and then telling him he can leave after over him knowing of the fire especially since she did not tell him either I felt bad for roger. Martuagh and Fergus get along well. But all of this was my view. This will not be one of the episodes I will likely watch again.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11428594699926470492noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7379581147262228210.post-13850428243237375922018-12-23T20:43:57.103-05:002018-12-23T20:43:57.103-05:00Thank youKaren, lovely, detailed as always & I...Thank youKaren, lovely, detailed as always & I almost always agree with you. Watched it twice....that’s a good sign. Boy that last scene is hard to watch/ listen to, very well done though-& glad behind closed door. <br />Re George Washington- kind of contrived but it worked ok. Later comment about him& Martha leaving early maybe sets up Tyron to start thinking of him as an enemy. I agree the cherry tree comment was rather trite...<br /><br />As for the theatre, it was really common for small towns to have Opera Houses (basically what this was) & Wilmington was a major port city. Thalian Hall in Wilmington is a historic theater there that opened in1858 & has been hosting plays ever since. From Thalian Hall’s website: ‘Wilmington had been a center of theatrical activity since the end of the 18th century. With the building of Thalian Hall, Wilmington became a major stop for national touring artists.’ The play, while historically accurate as far as people calling out, was a bit draggy, but that stilted style was absolutely what was common then. Thought it was ok. It’s a background for other stuff anyway. <br /><br /> I totally loved Claire operating in the theatre lobby - although operating with a butter knife probably isn’t optimal - thought it was a nice adaptation of the John Quincy Myers surgery. Thought it was hilarious that the doctor just wanted to blow smoke up his ass - about right for that century. And I like that the governor acknowledged her skill. Claire following behind unfortunately is 18th century standard. Like it or not, it would have been odd and historically incorrect to not do that. <br />Fergus at the printshop fits nicely, realized that he works there, which ties in with the book. <br /><br />Loved Roger & Bree for most of this. I thought more than one sentence needed to be in there about getting hold of gems though, that seemed thrown in, & it would have been a better reason for him to leave her, although not as dramatic. I mean seriously the guy abandoned his job & century to go after her, deals with all that crap on the boat, gets married & then walks away? But the quarrel - oh yeah, that was good/awful/typical/good.Jeaniehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04929582281219564238noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7379581147262228210.post-23996496975712147612018-12-23T20:14:53.649-05:002018-12-23T20:14:53.649-05:00George Washington often traveled to get support fo...George Washington often traveled to get support for the causeAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11428594699926470492noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7379581147262228210.post-26246194889877157812018-12-23T20:13:48.422-05:002018-12-23T20:13:48.422-05:00I dont like bree and starting to dislike claire as...I dont like bree and starting to dislike claire as well but love the show even if there are a few minor changes I would makeAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11428594699926470492noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7379581147262228210.post-26773384397318512522018-12-23T19:09:33.423-05:002018-12-23T19:09:33.423-05:00I do so much enjoy that our views of this season a...I do so much enjoy that our views of this season are in agreement. YES! Jamie's hair! Claire's has been bothering me as well. And I know that's petty, but how does Claire have so much silver when Jamie does not, and they both look as the 2O years have not passed? Susanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11231863590003169648noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7379581147262228210.post-306006165844087542018-12-23T17:45:13.867-05:002018-12-23T17:45:13.867-05:00Thanks Thanks Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15089911779421945710noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7379581147262228210.post-75748139513331524862018-12-23T17:40:20.598-05:002018-12-23T17:40:20.598-05:00Oh dear. We disagree. I thought the George Washing...Oh dear. We disagree. I thought the George Washington part was fabulous. So happy to have him introduced earlier. I know you're from the south and probably much more versed that than I on Washington's story but I read Chernow's bio last year and found it all very plausible. Washington got around. And he LOVED theater. What was implausible for me was that they left the show early. I don't think he ever would have done that. It would be SO cool to have GW play a bigger role in the Claire/Jamie saga. He and Jamie are such kindred spirits.<br />Dancing Nancyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05709895456625301167noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7379581147262228210.post-21908235830984757382018-12-23T17:33:55.741-05:002018-12-23T17:33:55.741-05:00Yes, faithful to the book, etc. I have a real hard...Yes, faithful to the book, etc. I have a real hard time with Brianna's up and down roller coaster like reactions to Roger! To me, she's schizoid, can't make up her mind. What happened to the cows she spoke? Do they not include giving a guy a break? She wasn't there when Roger had the conversation with Fiona, she was busy putting her safety at risk by going through the stones weeks or days before him. I truly am loving this season, I find issues other than you mentioned more distracting. Roansmomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18285491718120141787noreply@blogger.com