tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7379581147262228210.post3684230051371884830..comments2024-03-26T13:17:29.405-04:00Comments on Outlandish Observations: Episode 502: "Between Two Fires" (SPOILERS!)Karen Henryhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07635855088490793965noreply@blogger.comBlogger25125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7379581147262228210.post-15584887431815370902020-04-18T10:03:12.956-04:002020-04-18T10:03:12.956-04:00There’s a lot to be learned from a body, besides h...There’s a lot to be learned from a body, besides how he died. Where others are, how they look and fit together, etc. I still don’t think Marsali has the time though.Katrinahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03627989818242516723noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7379581147262228210.post-81473572071522694752020-02-28T15:56:56.059-05:002020-02-28T15:56:56.059-05:00I agree with your comments on episode 2. I don...I agree with your comments on episode 2. I don't think Claire or Jamie were represented properly. Claire wouldn't deceive a grieving widow any more than Roger would. And, a decomposing body in the cellar is preposterous. Just would not have happened. I think Murtagh is being portrayed in such a harsh manor because he will probably be killed off as one of the leaders when they are hanged as portrayed in the books. I liked the first episode and didn't like the second one very much. Strayed too much from the book characters and the story.KMChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11291803926737701495noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7379581147262228210.post-4730321000121866082020-02-27T22:00:30.654-05:002020-02-27T22:00:30.654-05:00Thank you for sharing your viewpoint, I think I ag...Thank you for sharing your viewpoint, I think I agreed on all of them, the gruesome autopsy, (with no Jamie around for protection), the wastelfullness of the bread baking , plus the saying they should go home to Roger, when in the books she dreaded the trip and did not know if Jem would survive it reframes TV Claire as a totally different character from Book Claire. Book Claire would never endanger Marsali or her children by having her as an apprentice with Autopsies and illnesses etc. Without Jamie to show her humanity she came across as harsh, fixated and careless. <br /><br />Bree as a character is quite fraught and has lost some of her staunchness and fierceness, Roger seems to not to care for Jamie at all, Jamie in this episode seems careless with other's live... not a rewatchable one for me.<br /><br />Love and adore the books, did love the TV version, not so much any more. They seem to add in pointless stalling scenes from nowhere, then leave out pivotal character plot points ...<br /><br />I have less hope for the next episode and sadly wonder if I have wasted my sucscription after all .. fingers crossed for some redemption<br /><br />Maybe they could get the writers to read the books???Pollihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17016226638651608184noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7379581147262228210.post-1811726684953964192020-02-27T04:19:21.013-05:002020-02-27T04:19:21.013-05:00One problem is "Abide With Me" wasna wri...One problem is "Abide With Me" wasna written until 1847.<br /><br />Who hasna heard of "The Tufty Club" :D<br /><br />I agree with some of the posters that we don't necessarily need to be following the books - but sometimes the storylines appear to move somewhat at a tangent to what we might be expecting.Geoff C.https://www.blogger.com/profile/08337384222297943354noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7379581147262228210.post-17741411111872978932020-02-26T21:57:22.935-05:002020-02-26T21:57:22.935-05:00I always enjoy your recaps and comments ,however,t...I always enjoy your recaps and comments ,however,this time I have to agree with **B** and unknown on their assessments of 502. This episode was definitely a stark contrast to 501, but I enjoyed the differences and look forward to 503!Susanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00497102700645605005noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7379581147262228210.post-87666157152075343472020-02-26T20:35:06.828-05:002020-02-26T20:35:06.828-05:00Actually Herman Husband I recognized immediately a...Actually Herman Husband I recognized immediately as described in the books. Would have liked more of an intro of the Bug's. Perhaps we'll get more of an intro to the Ardsmuir men when militia is formed.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7379581147262228210.post-2580835575808133512020-02-26T12:29:48.956-05:002020-02-26T12:29:48.956-05:00When murtagh sliced off sandringham head, we cheer...When murtagh sliced off sandringham head, we cheered him on because we knew, as viewer, what a monster he was. In this episode we have not seen the dire needs of the people and what lead up to this. We've seen Frasiers Ridge in all its glory and all the food, etc<br />But not enough of the suffering. There's talk of it, but the viewer hadn't seen it. So your comparison to Dougal is right on. Just seemed heartless and cruel to do this to defenseless men. They should have included a scene showing them throwing their power around on the poor people.Harrzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00782501912125839384noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7379581147262228210.post-43773660033021478432020-02-25T12:06:37.392-05:002020-02-25T12:06:37.392-05:00In the books, Gabaldon shows the cruel acts of the...In the books, Gabaldon shows the cruel acts of the rebels. Since the TV writers have retained Murtagh and made him a Regulator leader, it makes perfect sense for him to give the order to tar and feather the Loyalists. I was impressed that Gabaldon didn't whitewash the rebels and that's what the TV writers are doing. I agree that Murtagh will die in the TV series, probably in battle. <br /><br />Someone else mentioned the oath required of the Scottish prisoners who were transported to the colonies. <br /><br />Whether or not Claire could've saved the man who died depends on if she'd seen him before his appendix burst and whether he could've tolerated the surgery. I thought that's what was meant by her lines.<br /><br />The autopsy reminded me of the book scene in which she did the autopsy on Phaedre's mother. I don't remember in which novel that occurred. <br /><br />Even if Claire never says that it's too dangerous for Bree, Roger and Jemmy to stay in the 18th century, it's clear that she thinks so by other comments she makes in the books.<br /><br />Not sure why the TV writers had Claire bake bread for pencillin when it's clear she didn't need to do that, but I'm willing to be patient to see how that plays out.<br /><br />I thought this episode and the first already seem better than last season. It must be quite a challenge for the TV writers. And even when things don't replicate the books, I'm enjoying having Claire and Jamie in my living room.Rebeccahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18312724818441153829noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7379581147262228210.post-32291672078819482022020-02-25T07:25:36.617-05:002020-02-25T07:25:36.617-05:00Very disappointed at the introductions to both Mrs...Very disappointed at the introductions to both Mrs Bug and Ute <br />McGillivary. Was so looking forward to seeing the book versions of them but they hardly got a look in.<br /><br />They are setting Claire up to be tried as a witch again I think. She would never keep a body like that and bury rocks, neither would Roger.<br /><br />I like Marsali being Claire's apprentice but as others have said, where would she get the time? Also does that mean no Malva Christie??<br /><br />I don't like the changes from the book - it's becoming a very different story.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7379581147262228210.post-27223004686353109302020-02-25T06:39:22.210-05:002020-02-25T06:39:22.210-05:00I didn’t read this book. I read books 3 & 4 s...I didn’t read this book. I read books 3 & 4 so I’m a little lost. I like how you point out what’s in the book and what’s not. I think I lost heart after the show left two of my favorite scenes, one in season 3 and one in 4. I think that’s why I stopped reading, it was just so disappointing. Oh well. I’m hopeful this season will get better. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7379581147262228210.post-75654608780692256952020-02-25T05:19:13.722-05:002020-02-25T05:19:13.722-05:00cWell, I loved the first episode and thoroughly d...cWell, I loved the first episode and thoroughly disliked this one. I just don't understand why they come up with such changes when Diana gives them such great material. Has nothing to do with book vs show. The changes they make are usually not that great. I don't believe the time excuse. They waste time on such ridiculous plot lines. Just hope next week is better. I have no reason to re-watch this episode. I enjoy all of your details explaining the story. Excellent review, as usual.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7379581147262228210.post-63009441351785010952020-02-24T21:48:41.309-05:002020-02-24T21:48:41.309-05:00Love your review, I totally agree.
Keeping a dea...Love your review, I totally agree. <br /><br />Keeping a dead body around? Covering the (way too much) bread to make penicillin? The Frasers don't waste things like that. The Autopsy was fine, but keeping the body? <br />And Marsali doesn't have enough to do? <br />I totally agree on your take! Will look forward to your next post!Thrinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00320565586722253882noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7379581147262228210.post-37476736538954829772020-02-24T18:33:53.339-05:002020-02-24T18:33:53.339-05:00I believe Jaime took an oath to the king when he w...I believe Jaime took an oath to the king when he was pardoned and released as a prisoner. Arch bug and other refer to it later in book 6 when Jaime explains why he is breaking his oath and going to fight with the rebels. He says something to the effect of, "A forced oath is not valid and we were forced by circumstances to take the path." Cwelchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11435236407860503747noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7379581147262228210.post-27032132701600564832020-02-24T12:59:34.332-05:002020-02-24T12:59:34.332-05:00Perhaps you should take the time to read some hist...Perhaps you should take the time to read some historical accounts of the actions taken by the pro-British before the Revolutionary war; tarring and feathering was carried out by both sides, as was being carried on a rail; I admire Outlander for never shying away from actual historical events, no matter how they offend modern viewers, who usually complain about Jamie's hair or Claire's clothes and other silly stuff, Murtagh was a leader of the regulators who eventually became part of the Continental army, and if any of you have ever seen the British army in action you might want to heat up some tar an tear up a pillow yourselves.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7379581147262228210.post-91356284733822734312020-02-24T11:30:15.493-05:002020-02-24T11:30:15.493-05:00I heartily agree!! For the first time since the se...I heartily agree!! For the first time since the series began I am without Starzz, but I am finding her reviews do the trick! ( and will probably skip or FF thru this episode)Marze513https://www.blogger.com/profile/05420415075474478507noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7379581147262228210.post-90276845139384231102020-02-24T10:49:14.492-05:002020-02-24T10:49:14.492-05:00I thought it was a great episode. I think too ofte...I thought it was a great episode. I think too often people are still looking for an exact replica of the books. It's not and it isn't meant to be. Gabaldon is a consultant and it seems people forget that.<br /><br />Outlander never shied from gore. It's always been in your face.<br /><br />Murtagh has a lot of bitterness and sadness...Culloden, being shipped off as a slave, now losing Jamie after just getting him back. <br /><br />Jamie swore an oath to the King when he was pardoned. I believe it's mentioned in his sit down with Tryon in front of the fireplace. When Tryon initially offers the land.<br /><br />I think Claire certainly could of saved the man and done an emergency appendectomy. She's performed surgery for Fanning's hernia plus all the things shes done during war, all without ether.<br /><br />In the books the gemstones and sending Roger, Bri, and Jemmy back is always a topic of discussion. Claire saying they should go back seems very characteristic of that.<br /><br />Bri talking to Claire about things she's doing as dangerous I feel is something they have to spoon feed to the TV audience. In the books we are in Claire's head and she knows she has to be wary and why. Bri is the only person that can outwardly discuss this topic and set up issues that Claire may be confronted with in the future.<br /><br />Overall I think they do a great "adaptation". Its almost like a parallel universe to the books mixing old with a little bit of new and that's exciting. :)**B**https://www.blogger.com/profile/12866686461147608843noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7379581147262228210.post-53230416869649865312020-02-24T09:59:10.828-05:002020-02-24T09:59:10.828-05:00Hi Karen I thik your right about episode 2 and I t...Hi Karen I thik your right about episode 2 and I think Murtagh will be killed he's so full of hatred and bitterness and revenge and I think he will die in the end , the series and book are two different things and they go in different ways , I hope episode 3 is better . please post more soon. Happy Week. Loving Outlander .sincerely .Mary Tormeynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7379581147262228210.post-84709743314730338302020-02-24T06:50:13.911-05:002020-02-24T06:50:13.911-05:00I have a bit of a different take on Murtaghs behav...I have a bit of a different take on Murtaghs behavior. As of last week, the British have taken the last of his chance for happiness. He lost the woman he has loved forever and his family. I think his actions are out of bitterness and anger. He has nothing else. Lynn Artzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00056919103325863482noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7379581147262228210.post-59142718852202173232020-02-24T05:56:20.017-05:002020-02-24T05:56:20.017-05:00Instead of writing that you should be hired by Dia...Instead of writing that you should be hired by Diana's publisher as 'context editor', I should have written 'continuity editor' with your fine memory of incidents in her books.leaves on the Raney Treehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12711219595014372212noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7379581147262228210.post-10318086055097306412020-02-24T01:33:38.489-05:002020-02-24T01:33:38.489-05:00Hi Karen Thanks so much for your insightful comme...Hi Karen Thanks so much for your insightful comments on this episode. I enjoy reading your reviews as I won't get to see the show until it comes out on DVD. I like to be forwarned about the deviations from the books so I am less disappointed when I watch the show. This sounds like another episode where the writers have gone off the rails with Clare. The two others that annoy me so much I skip them when rewatching the series (as I often do ;-D), are the trephanning of the exciseman's skull in series 3 & the Rufus debacle in series 4. Fingers crossed it improves from here. Thanks againPatricia Riosnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7379581147262228210.post-69667950859663493692020-02-24T01:33:35.399-05:002020-02-24T01:33:35.399-05:00Another fine review, Karen. It's your blog and...Another fine review, Karen. It's your blog and you have every right to express your opinions - in fact, your recall is so fine, you should be contracted by Diana's publisher to read her next manuscript for context correctness, or whatever they call it (I'm serious) -- but, because I read The Fiery Cross when it was published, and recall only a smattering of scenes, the wayward drift away from the book didn't bother me so much as it did you. The bread baking did seem a waste of flour, though. I recalled that she used bread scraps in the book (but might be wrong on that). I had ancestors in North Carolina during this period, who later participated in the bloody fighting there during the Revolutionary War, and the Regulator Movement was violent. I found those scenes spot on. Time to steel yourself, Karen, for I expect future violent scenes will be graphic.<br /><br />I'm sorry for the loss of your beloved mother and I wish you serenity in your grief. leaves on the Raney Treehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12711219595014372212noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7379581147262228210.post-4954143166784767172020-02-23T20:21:48.668-05:002020-02-23T20:21:48.668-05:00I always enjoy reading your reviews. And I agree I...I always enjoy reading your reviews. And I agree I didn't like this episode either.OkieHorseLoverhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11530122770748255973noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7379581147262228210.post-7378837135912156262020-02-23T20:20:58.760-05:002020-02-23T20:20:58.760-05:00Agreed. I didn't like it either.Agreed. I didn't like it either.OkieHorseLoverhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11530122770748255973noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7379581147262228210.post-61173776814991727402020-02-23T18:36:12.324-05:002020-02-23T18:36:12.324-05:00Karen, so appreciate the back links to historical ...Karen, so appreciate the back links to historical references and your quotes from the books - it really fills in some of my questions and concerns too about this episode. Hoping for better to come!<br /><br />Emily Emily Gibsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02597718022421918829noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7379581147262228210.post-87380843998438846292020-02-23T17:57:15.905-05:002020-02-23T17:57:15.905-05:00Thanks, Karen. As usual, I agree with your points...Thanks, Karen. As usual, I agree with your points. <br />Violet Daraitishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15969998459497189752noreply@blogger.com